Today I stumbled across someone tweeting an advert from some second-hand site, titled “Retro! Playstation 2”. The unhappy tweeter was declaring the PS2 is not retro, just a bit old.
The question of what counts as “retro” is often debated amongst gamers. Some would keep it firmly to the 8 and 16 bit eras, and are a bit aghast at the idea of the PS2 or Gamecube appearing in Retro Gamer magazine. Others are happy to define the term more widely.
Here on this humble site, we’re on the more easygoing side. After all, we’re now sometimes looking at games from around 2006-2007. We don’t necessarily put the label “retro” on ones of that vintage, but we’re approaching them the same way we do games from the early 90s. To us, they’re all old PC games.
So we’re not going to complain if someone wants to describe a game from 2000, the year the PS2 was released, as retro. On PC, this was the year of Deus Ex and Shogun Total War. Take a moment to compare both of those to their modern sequels, and consider how much has changed in gaming in general since then. That year was clearly part of a different era, and that may be a good definition of retro for some.
For others, not so much. If your interests are focused on the earlier days of gaming, that’s fine. Some sort of formal and objective retro status, however, is not awarded based on the judgement of 40 year old men who used to own a spectrum. A game does not need to be a bleeping array of chunky pixels for you to call it retro. There’s never going to be some totally agreed definition. Sure if someone used the label for a five year old game, we’d probably disagree. However that boundary in time, where a game attains retro status, is hazy and subjective. It floats somewhere in the 90s or 2000s, its location a function not just of graphics standards but subjective experience.
Also, consider the perspective of a gamer aged 25. That’s older than we Rik and I were, when we started this site. Such a person won’t even remember the 8 bit days. Maybe they had a 16 bit device, but it’s possible their first console would have been a PS1. Their whole frame of reference will be a bit different to ours. The “retro” category shouldn’t exclude anything they actually have first hand experience of.
This might sound obvious, but: time continues to pass and a period of interest does not remain in a fixed position relative to today. The history of gaming is 17 years longer than it was when FFG launched. With every year the 8 and 16 bit eras recede further into the past. So we might want to keep our definitions open to updates.
Basically some guy’s nostalgia for Super Mario Sunshine is the same sort of feeling as some other guy’s recollections of Jet Set Willy. The world of retro gaming should have room for both of them.
“What is retro ?” Retro is when you can no longer *easily* run the program you want, or run it without any problem as you could do on the platform it was created for. Using a Pentium IV 2.6 GHz in order to get the speed of a mere DX 33 MHz thanks to DOSBox (a fine piece of software, but an obscene overkill), for example. 🙁 No longer being able to run a DirectX 6 game with a DirectX 9 system, whatever you try, because of video or audio drivers, or because of RAM, or because of video screen (real VESA support from newer video cards, anyone ?). And the like. Retro is when you have to hunt for an older, much older system in order to merely have a look at what the past was. Fun is no longer fun. 🙁
November 8, 2017 @ 11:50 am
For PC games that means the boundary of “retro” lies somewhere in the windows 95\98 days. Sounds reasonable.
Whether or not the PS2 would qualify I don’t know? You can’t run PS2 games on a PS4 but as I understand it some will work on PS3.
November 8, 2017 @ 1:59 pm
Well, we don’t do any console here, hence the question is out of range. 😉
November 8, 2017 @ 2:02 pm
>Also, consider a gamer of 25 – older than we were when we started this site. They won’t even remember the 8 bit days.
*Citation needed
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It’s actually a little bit complicated than that and depends on that particular gamer’s location and their parents’ level of income. The 1990s weren’t kind to Russia, so we were really behind on video games. The first games I played were Super Mario, Duck Hunt and Battle Tank. Then later on I got to see my first love – the Mega Drive which was my first own gaming machine. Later on I moved on to PS1, then, in early 2005 to PC, where I currently reside to this day. And I’m 24.
November 17, 2017 @ 8:44 pm
Fair point! We’re obviously British here but people’s experiences may indeed differ in other countries.
November 20, 2017 @ 12:18 am
My definition of retro is anything prior to last generation. PS2 for me now qualifies
December 1, 2017 @ 2:07 pm